2008-10-27 Why women are patur from mitzvat aseh shehazman grama

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Collections: Rabbi Rakeffet: Responsa 2008

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Why women are patur from mitzvat aseh shehazman grama

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    1. Title: Sources for a different perspective
      Author: Yisrael K

      <p>For a different perspective, see Zies Ra'anan (Magen Avraham) on Yalkut Shemoni, Shmuel 1:1; Maharal, Tiferes Yisroel 28; Rambam and Barentura on Mishnah Horiyos 3:7; Vilna Gaon, Even Shelaima 1:8.</p>

    2. Title: Elaboration
      Author: Yisrael K

      <p>I have been asked for an elaboration. The Magen Avraham, Zies Rananan, Yalkut Shimoni, Shmuel 1:1 says women are exempt from positive time bound commandments because their yetzer TOV is SMALLER and if commanded they would likely not comply.</p>

    3. Title: Apologetics
      Author: Yisrael K

      <p>This is apologetics. R' Hirsch says that men and women are equal:</p> <p>"<span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">n </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">t</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">he </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">word </span><span style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #000033; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">איש</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; font-style: italic; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">and </span><span style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #000033; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">אשה</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">lay the guarantee for th</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">equality in rank </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">a</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">n</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">d </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">mutua</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">l</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">ly com</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">p</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">l</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">eme</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">nting calling of Man and Woman. As long as man and woman were </span><span style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #000033; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">איש</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">and </span><span style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #000033; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">אשה</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">. </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">th</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">was n</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">o </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">n</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">ed fo</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #4e483f; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">man to be emancipated from woman nor woman from man, </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">neithe</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">co</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">uld m</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">ake </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">th</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e o</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">th</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r into a slave nor yet into a god or goddess</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">. </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">The first who altered t</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">hi</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">s </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">des</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">i</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">gnation - as indeed </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">our sages remark, in no other language are man and woman designated </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">by wo</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">ds comin</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">g </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">f</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">r</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">om </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">t</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">he </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">same root and so regarded from the same trend of thought - brought </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">it abou</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">t </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">tha</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">t </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">o</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">n</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">e </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">man would y</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">o</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #16110b; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">ke his woman to the plough while the other would throw himself at </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; color: #030000; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">her feet</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">." Genesis 11:58</span></p> <p><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span id="docs-internal-guid-c88c5274-23cf-1f73-1700-d3368007df47"><span style="background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;">"While fully appreciating the special and deeply implanted characteristics of the female sex, the Sages also attribute to it complete spiritual and intellectual equality with the male. In the very words with which the formation of man by the hands of God is proclaimed </span><span style="color: #333333; vertical-align: baseline;">וייצר ה' אלקים את האדם</span><span style="background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;">, they find an indication that the formation of both male and female is on the same footing. &nbsp;</span><span style="color: #333333; vertical-align: baseline;">יצירה לאדם יצירה לחוה</span><span style="font-size: 16px; color: #333333; vertical-align: baseline;"> </span><span style="background-color: transparent; vertical-align: baseline;">(Genesis R. 14) " </span></span></span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; font-style: italic; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Judaism Eternal II</span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"> (New York: Soncino, 1976) p. 95</span></p>